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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Ok dubstepped so please explain better and apparently simpler so I can understand. How do you want watchtower to go above what the law says.
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  347

  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  It is not uncommon for policies and procedures to reference other documents. Even in Australia and the ARC policy. If you actually read their own policy, there are rules that is listed in the specific policy for the ARC Investigation into Institutional Child Abuse, but it references the laws that setup ARC from the early 1900 and other laws. It was not necessary to restate those laws in whole or in part in the current document, if you have a desire to read those references then you can read them.

  Also at least in the US schools are different then churches, in the way that schools have a fiduciary responsibility, a special relationship and a duty to protect because they have taken responsibility and taken control of children. Also the idea is that children are obligated by law to attend school, but is not obligated to attend church.
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  347

  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Dubstepped:

  When you say "aren't god's ways better than man's, and god's thoughts higher than man's thoughts? Shouldn't Jehovah's chosen people be the example for he world, not the other way around?" You are then saying that child abuse is a moral issue. When you put child abuse in the term of man's rules you are saying it is a law and not a moral issue. Again if something is not against the law then what can someone do to report it.
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  347

  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  What specifically do you have a problem with in comparison to the policy at your school
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  347

  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Actually you never said that you work in a Catholic school. You said you work for a Catholic institution and you participate in their educational programs. Which could mean anything. So I assume you read the policy on child abuse because you are an employee of the school and therefore you are bound by it by your professional life.
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  347

  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Ok thank you for clearing that up. It made it seem like you were an expert in the policies and procedures of the Catholic church with regards to child abuse. Then I withdraw my question. I have much experience in both formulating policies and procedures, but I could only speak to what I have experience in, that of technology. We will see how the ARC does see it when they submit their report, we can speculate all we want, good or bad, but they will give their answer.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  Well the watchtower policy is either being or will be reviewed by two seperate governing agencies in two different countries with either the same policy which is the two letters and slight differences in policy with safeguarding policy. There will be plenty of time to review.

  You say you work for a Catholic organization. I don't mean to put words in your mouth. But is it true that different dioeces have different policies on child abuse? I was reading some American ones and wanted to see how you feel with the policy that if it is determined that the confession was made as determined that the church feels it is a privilege communication then they won't report it. Or how do you feel about a dioeces in Louisiana who fought to the state supreme Court to keep what a victim said to a priest even though she waived priest privilege because the church feels they own the privilege and not the communicant. I know people will say that I am destraute g and pointing it at Catholics but you opened the door by saying you are an expert at least for the Catholic organization you work for and you are comparing watchtower and Catholics.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  And maybe you should view it from a more unbiased lense too. It is true for any organization secular or religious. Will complaisance sink in and all the positive steps you made go down the drain. It is not just a Watchtower thing. In Los Angeles county the department of family services had a major problem because their policies were being ignored because those social workers became complaisant and didn't do what they knew was right. It led to a huge number of abused children and even to the death of a number of them.

  It will take consistent monitoring and determination by all stake holders but doesn't mean it won't succeed.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  Richard Oliver

  I agree with you that this does need to be investigated more. Every aspect of this needs to be investigated. Laws and organizations do need to be better. But when they make changes you have to see how those policies are implemented in reality and not just assume it will fail immediately.
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  ARC - Case Study 54 - All Exhibits have been released

  by jwleaks in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  all exhibits for case study 54, jehovah's witnesses and watchtower, have been released by the arc.. http://www.childabuseroyalcommission.gov.au/exhibits/10908a67-70c5-4103-94cc-dac096fdb585/case-study-54,-march-2017,-sydney.

  exhibit list.

  joint statement of o'brien and spinks.

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  2. 
  3. 
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  Richard Oliver

  Also you are correct someone who is convicted of child abuse should be given a long prison sentence. But as pointed out at the ARC the number of those charged that gets a custodial punishment is very low in the whole justice system. So just because someone is charged or convicted doesn't mean they will be going to prison.